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bradmaus
2010.10.13, 08:17 AM
I have an 83' 1.9l water cooled and was thinking about getting the 2.1 for a winter project. do most of my parts bolt up and what about the wiring harness. i know they have a little more power but it sit worth it?

unimogken
2010.10.13, 12:06 PM
Would you like to keep it VW?

bradmaus
2010.10.13, 12:15 PM
please you know richard and shelby. they wouldnt let me keep it stock if i tried. what do you have in mind

unimogken
2010.10.13, 12:42 PM
There's a bunch of different options if you wanted to stray away from VW engines. Like a couple different Subaru engines or a Bostig Zetec.

bradmaus
2010.10.13, 12:53 PM
i love suburu but what parts would i need to bolt that puppy up and what about wiring and everything. just not sure if its worth the money. i found a super cheap 2.1l off craigslist and thats what made me think of this winter.

unimogken
2010.10.13, 13:48 PM
Engine and wiring harness plus the kit which has the adapter plates and all sorts of goodies to bolt it in. Probably looking at $1500 +/- depending on where you source your engine.

Or better yet you can buy rabbit 16v's Vanagon he's selling. :o)

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 07:02 AM
where do i buy this kit. and what kind of suburu do i need to look for?

unimogken
2010.10.14, 08:37 AM
I bought all of my stuff from a local place called Small Car (www.smallcar.com) and they're in Tacoma.
You can look for any EJ22, EJ25 or the engine that was in the SVX. My buddy had a WRX STI engine in his Transporter and it was insane!

Do a search for "vanagon subaru" and see if you'd want yours to be that fast.......hehe

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 09:56 AM
i would love to but i really dont wanna spend 2 grans just for the parts to do the swap. not really in my vanagon budget.

Rabbit 16v
2010.10.14, 10:08 AM
Or better yet you can buy rabbit 16v's Vanagon he's selling. :o)

This!

Subaru swaps are blasphemy.

the 2,1l is a drop in upgrade and well worth it. it doesnt cure the inherent head gasket problem though.

unimogken
2010.10.14, 10:10 AM
I was told my engine was making some lower end noise and that it would need to be replaced eventually.
So I started comparing prices of a rebuilt/replacement VW engine vs a Subaru engine conversion.
Thats when I started to accumulate all of my Subaru parts.
I have yet to install my Subaru junk into my Vanagon.

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 10:10 AM
so will i need to do anything else or just take my 1.9l out and drop in the 2.1l. do all my parts fit on the 2.1l?

unimogken
2010.10.14, 10:13 AM
This!
Subaru swaps are blasphemy.
the 2,1l is a drop in upgrade and well worth it. it doesnt cure the inherent head gasket problem though.
I almost bought a 2.1 but the head gasket problems changed my mind.

Do you think you could machine the head like the Dodge and Ford diesel guys do and run O-rings instead of the gaskets?

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 10:14 AM
i have a guy who works in a machine shop???

unimogken
2010.10.14, 10:21 AM
Just looked around online doesn't look like theres enough surface area to do O-rings.

Rabbit 16v
2010.10.14, 10:42 AM
so will i need to do anything else or just take my 1.9l out and drop in the 2.1l. do all my parts fit on the 2.1l?

Just gaskets and seals. everything swaps directly over. I recommend replacing the water pump while you are there cause it sucks to replace when its in the van.

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 10:45 AM
what about computer or wiring?

Rabbit 16v
2010.10.14, 10:45 AM
Just looked around online doesn't look like theres enough surface area to do O-rings.

yeah there really isnt. The head gasket is not like your conventional head gasket. It has a crush washer that goes in the circumference of the combustion chamber to keep gasses out of the colling jacket and then it has a rubber gasket to keep coolant in the engine. Oil is supplied through the pushrods to lube the rocker shafts. Oil then returns through the pushrod tubes. If you have ever taken apart a bug motor, the wasserboxer is essentially the same thing. It just used coolant instead of fins to keep the cylinders cool.

unimogken
2010.10.14, 10:55 AM
Subaru swaps are blasphemy.
Please don't hate me for talking about this swap.
He was asking for ideas so I named a couple options....hehe

When I was looking into the conversion there wasn't a lot of support for the VW based swaps other than Tiico which was waaaaay out of my budget.

Someday I would love to do a TDI swap to a Vanagon!

bradmaus
2010.10.14, 11:01 AM
hey im with you. my 1.9l is a good runner but i came across the 2.1l for cheap.. one day i want to take my dads spare 911 motor and put it in there. he has 2 so i think i deserve one for the vanagon...

bradmaus
2010.10.15, 05:53 AM
so the guy said the motor has low condition but has a yelow sticker meaning rebuilt right. and low compression is usually just rings if im correct. do you still think i should pick the engine up?

EK20
2010.10.16, 00:07 AM
i would love to but i really dont wanna spend 2 grans just for the parts to do the swap. not really in my vanagon budget.

I didn't think two grandmothers was all that expensive.

unimogken
2010.10.17, 00:52 AM
Hey EK20 did your mom ever get her Vanagon running?

EK20
2010.12.31, 01:47 AM
Man, totally forgot about this. Yes, her Vanagon is "running" right now. It's been looked at and the tranny issue was that 2nd is basically gone. We have to rev it up and force it to shift, but it shifts better once it's warmed up. Would love to swap something better in though.

Been using it to move my brother and I. Drifts around corners great on the ice too. :D

Earlier today my unintentional drift was not quite as successful as the other day.

joel
2010.12.31, 01:59 AM
I wondered what vanagon it was you were talking about :D

EK20
2010.12.31, 04:30 AM
Yup. it was the first car we drove. Used to go tearing about in that thing before we knew how slow it really is. :D

Rabbit 16v
2010.12.31, 19:09 PM
I drifted the syncro the other day getting on the freeway.. I cant imagine why the cars behind me came to almost a complete stop....

EK20
2010.12.31, 20:19 PM
It bottles the mind. :P

joel
2010.12.31, 21:42 PM
haha.. people get so scared when someone does something they don't expect.

This is why (and I don't know why most people don't seem to get this) one of the safest ways to drive has nothing to do specifically with speeding, but with driving predictably around other drivers. Some would say that involves driving more slowly.. but really it all depends on what other traffic is doing around you.
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